Massive discussion on this video, more so than I thought would happen, lol.
The fact is that Shimano has since made multiple changes to their shifters to give more ergo choices, even taking some design ideas from Sram. The newer triggers give tell-tale signs that Shimano noticed good features of their competition and adapted their own slightly.
In the end, it comes down to whatever YOU as the rider prefers. Who cares if others dont share your choice? I put my opinion and try to show examples here on YouTube, knowing many arent going to agree with me, and so be it.
I'm a Sram fan, have used their high-end products for over a decade and will keep twisting away! You choose what works for you.
Shimano didn’t make twist just for lower end bikes. My Mongoose Pro NX 7.1 has twist shift and it’s been flawless for 22 years now.
I know im like 8 years late but this helped me learn how to shift up and down. Thanks...
am just a newbie hybrid guy what shifting systems have you recommended ?
What shifter do you have the least trouble with ?
Question: You have one finger on your right hand brake lever? Do you ever apply the brakes with only that finger? Or are you using two or more fingers? I'd guess you are using more than one when you actually apply the brake. I don't think that you are really accomplishing much by having that one finger on the brake lever because you have to swing your other fingers around to get onto it when you brake. I would think it would be faster to have no fingers on the lever. I'm willing to bet you can get ahold of that brake lever faster by having no fingers on it, swinging your 2nd, 3rd finger first and adding your first finger last. Put that one finger on the lever then slowly apply the other fingers that you use. It's an awkward motion imo. Now try no fingers on the lever and go for the brake. You may see that you apply your second finger first followed by 3rd and 4th and your first finger actually comes in last. (Maybe it's just me.)
I'm no bike expert, but I've been playing the guitar for 40 years. I've had a lot of reason to think about fingers and how they work. I'm NOT claiming that I am correct, I just wonder if there is really a benefit to keeping that finger on the lever. Anyhoo....thanks for the vid on the shifters!
I'm building a motorized bicycle so the Shimano Deore on the right side is perfect for me. Having a throttle, I'll never ride with my hand on the brake lever so that's not an issue. On a motorized bike you want to come off the throttle and stay off for a second until after the gear has changed.
Shimano shifters are absolute trash
Never owned one, but it seems with the twist shifter, there is a risk of the mechanisms wearing out faster. No?
I prefer Shimano but if you have hydraulic brakes you should get sram shifters
Thanks for this you helped me learn a new type of shifter
Lol he is shifting as he is riding a bike 😂😂
what gripshifts do you recommend?
2019 and still find this video useful.
Great in-detail explanation 👍
Canyon is using grip shift on their Exceed
Great vid got an old mtb really old putting better parts on it ,I'm a grip shifter fan for life I prefer them better than the new style shifting 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Your right ,don't do no more videos
which one easy to use? Shimano trigger shifters or Sram twist gripshift style shifters
thanks for explaining the different shifters
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great ! so useful ! thanks !
It does actually work on a new grip shifter hat costs me only $24.00 , I used a flashlight, a NEW factory end tip soldered cable and a bit of grease.....no problem. I guess one might have a problem with a totally thrashed shifter such as your example.Advising someone to disassemble this unit is questionable.
Perfect again! That's the way to change the cable!
Greetings from Germany
I spent an hour trying to force cables, fraying the end, recutting, and trying slightly differently before watching this. Thanks!
Finally got the shifters replaced. I had to cut one of them off the handlebars since the holding screw was rusted so bad I stripped it out trying to loosen it. Now just to do a little indexing to take care of some skip. Thanks for the tip about the alchohol. It sure beats the gasoline that my brother and I used to put grips on golf clubs at the pro shop where we worked.
Thanks. Rehabbing my old Trek 7200 for my son to take back to college. I was gonna just replace the cables, but found some new shifters, grips and cables for $30, so doing a full swap this weekend. I love your energy!
Stupid simple, I should have figured that out but no I had a YouTube it.
im just tryna change the cables because one of my shifters isnt pulling the cable
I have 3.0 without "comp". It doesn't have hole for a wire, but grip is rubber so it's easy to slip. It's not necessary to take out whole shifter, it's really easy to put wire into shifter's canal. I bought SRAM X4 for rear and exchange old Altus. Shifting is very smooth now. Thanks for this video, I like your step-by-step methods :-)
Great video, thanks!
Thanks, i missed the hole (dust), good help!
what a screwy design. would be super-simple if this little cover was, say, just held in place by a screw.
I was able to leave the shifter on the bar, and just remove that little cover. but yeah you worry about breaking it.
Getting it back in place required needle-nosed pliers to tweak the "nose" end back into place.
EDIT: When I inserted the new cable, I lubed it a bit with oil and it made it to the right-angle turn in the shifter just fine.
Pondering it this morning, I THINK I could've done it this way:
-instead of pulling the old cable out completely, leave it part-way installed.
-snip off the barrel
-do a simple butt-spice (end-to-end) of old and new cables,just a weak little splice with a small piece of electrical tape.
It "should" then pull through just fine.
I've done this sort of routing before in auto and home repair and it can save time.
Thank You!. This just worked for me exactly as described. Wasn't as hard as I thought.
thanks so much, excellent video!
I think you could also 'chase' the cable route by carefully taping some old gear cable to the end of the old cable. Pull the cable to be replaced out through the hole you show us, followed by the 'chase gear cable'. Remove the tape with the 'chase gear cable' still in the shifter unit. Join the 'chase gear cable' and the new cable by carefully taping them. Then simply pull the 'chase gear cable' back the way it came thereby pulling the new cable through the barrel adjuster. Analagous to chasing internally routed cables. Hope this helps, Don.
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Great content, thanks for the help! Did my first re-cable job :)
I ended up buying this bicycle back in 2017. The shifters are still solid to this day, and my son has had countless hours and miles of enjoyment on this bike! Now I'm using your videos to replace cables and such on the Trek 830 (his mom's old bike) that he has grown into now. Thanks RJ!
Rear shifter spring is old. Not as responsive.
Do you have a way to replace the spring only ? Or make the spring stronger again? Such as quinch (spelling) metal process?
I have never had a complaint about my twist shifters
How they perform with xt deraileur? I want to use with a new acera deraileur.
Yep the are not that bad. But new shift are so much better
Even tho it’s kinda dumb using grip shifts in the first place....why did u need to cut those perfect lock on grips? Is it really that bad holding the handlebars a little bit on the inside if u had the full grip on? I’m not trying to mock u or anything , I am genuinely curious about the desicion
I think grip shift was one of the worst trends to ever happen in bicycling
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Grip shift always shifts by accident when bunny hopping :(
Grip Shift is ideal for those who are not into competitive cycling.
Lol! I still use lever shifters (Suntour 8 speed with a Dura Ace 8 speed derailleur on a mountain bike; limited to 28 tooth on the rear though). Still works great!
As the owner of Shimano™ I can tell you when aehy was a bicycle courier for 3.5 years aehy tried the main manual gear shifters #1 is the Shimano™ XT topbar shifter in the shortest movement you can slam from top gear to first gear perfect for stop/start city riding at high speed or off road on undulating surface, #2 rapidfire shifters if you're only cruising because you can't shift more than 1 gear at a time requiring "lift spin" at traffic lights and big plan ahead off road, #3 grip shift "crap shift" they've not been perfected and it's easy to accidentally change gears, #4 consider for MTB riding a continuous rear derailer cable outer using electrical cable ties for securing cable outer to frame and for super smooth shifting get the Avid™ Rollamjig®.
im using nx sram 12 speed - the shifter is bad , after replace shimano group set is much better and smooth shifting
Hey, whats the difference in between rapidfire plus and easyfire plus?
I've been using Grip shift Sram since 1996 and never returned to Shimano rapidfire. Much faster and more accurate changes!
I had to use the twist shift for a while and and found I was not able to brake and downshift at the same time.
I like being able to brake on the downhill section that’s going to go into an uphill section and be in the right gear when it’s time to start to climb and I cannot do this with the twist shift.
I drive race cars so be able to brake well downshifting is a necessity.
In racing The rapid fires are very much like Heel and Toe Downshifting in stick shift cars.
I have xt 1x10 and find it very hard changing gear going to the big cogs, I believe the xt derailer spring is to stiff. It feels like I will break the shifter cable sometimes
Can I buy any shimano shifter for my 7 speed bike?
Thanks! This is exactly the comparison I was looking for. I
I have the sram XO grip shifter for more than 8 years now still works great
at rubber shifters you could use the other hand
Triggers are the best, grip shifters suck because you can accidentally shift depending how you hold the handlebars
I personally think twist grips are not very good, for some reason they have always been poor shifting (I have only used shimano twists grips) on the few bikes I have had with them and have changed to trigger shifts, love the shimano triggers and am disappointed by the sram system on my fat bike to the point that I would consider changing the whole lot. Sram crankset snapped less than 100km old and normal riding no off road and just don't like the sram trigger feel. As you say Maybe Shimano own the patent for that style they have but for my and my riding I like the shimano best. Just my experience not looking for an argument from anyone about what is best. I don't do any racing just recreational riding.
Trigger and rapid fire are the same, you asshall.