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Can you take selfie with 20mm F1.7 ?
I Use 20mm F1.7 for Selfies!
This is the only fast m43rds prime lens that will fit in my pocket with the GX85. It is such a sexy combination with the silver lens matching the silver on the top of the GX85. I can carry the camera with me anywhere and get quality pictures without needing a camera bag.
Great lens for Olympus bodies with IBIS (see the true clarity of the lens with no camera shake). Focus is fine for stills with SAF.
Nice review 👍 bro
I love this lens and still use it in 2019. It was my first micro 4/3 lens back when the GF1 debuted.
Torn between the 20mm and the 25mm as a daily walkaround lens?. The 25mm looks nicer, but given the focus shift you noted on the 25mm I'm still undecided ...sadly...
Nice realistic review! Some people of forums tend to overhype this little lens. It’s nothing special.
I have the version one LOVE IT
Hi, does the focus ring have a maximum rotation? Like 300°? Or are you able to turn in forever?
I would like to use this with my Tilta Nucleus Nano wireless follow focus.
Thank you for the review. Can I confirm if the continuous AF work on video with the G85 as well and if so is the AF usable for videos in G85? Thanks a lot!
nah, just stick with my version 1. Work flawlessly for my needs.
I've been in love with this lens since I got it. It's far from perfect, but I love shooting with it. It's been a dream match for my GX85. My 12-40 2.8 is technically superior in every way, but I prefer the pancake when I don't need the versatility.
wait.. the manual focus is linear?? not that non-linear manual focusing crap?
Thank you - I enjoy your reviews. I've shot with the 20mm v2 for a few years now. It is my favorite general purpose lens for some of the reasons you outlined: small size/weight, fast optically, etc. I use it on small bodies i.e. GF6, GX85 where it is an excellent fit. I have a portable yet versatile package for every day use. I agree the AF performance is a bit slow and noisy, but it doesn't bother me.
Good review. I have first version from late 2009 and I'm surprised that version II shares same issues: slowest autofocus of all lenses because inner part moves by 1-2mm, some hunting, perhaps even unreliable focus in low light (cities after sunset - but I never noticed this on GF1 only on G85, maybe because G85 can take picture in much worse light conditions) and it's basically useless for video with change of focus. But it's good lens with small body. I still use it as lightweight travel lens with GF1 sometimes, for walks around the city and as great indoor lens - it has natural angle of view, good low light performance and nice bokeh. Optical quality is very good. It lacks zoom so it lacks versatility, but I sometimes liked challenging myself with finding optimal composition and spot
It may be child friendly (00:54), but can you guarantee that it has not been tested on animals?
That’s my favourite lens, I love it! Perfect for filming yourself.
I noticed that the video auto focus was much quieter than with photos too! It's not published well, but AFC is not supported with this lens for things like back button focus, but that's more for photography.
Best review i have seen so far. Thanks for making my decision easy.
Excellent review! Straight to the point, comprehensive and the examples are easy to follow. Had the 20mm coupled with a small GM5 trying to keep everything compact and was quite happy with it. It got stolen and now I can get both used for a decent price and was wondering witch was a better investment. I think I'll get the 20mm again first and the 25mm in the future. Thanks for the review.
love the flare
so sinnlos diese vergleiche, da man ein 20mm oder 25mm nicht für objekte auf große dinstanz verwendet sondern für dinge direkt in der nähe wegen licht und Hintergrund unscharfe..... so lost der typ
I particularly liked the way you showed the differences in focus speed and in focus shifting (excellent idea to use a sheet of paper with the word "focus" printed in multiple rows).
in Other Words the Panasonic 15mm F/1.7 Defaults Imagine Quality as a Pile of Crap? Yes if its hit & miss where Your Really having to work at it to get a Keep Worthy SHOT then i Agree with You 100%
Well Then 15mm F1.7 I'v Desided Not To BUY & Taking off my List, (( Thanks for the Heads UP Warning,
Otherwise Yes About This Little 20mm F/1.7 You Are Exactly Correct IT IS INDEED a Great Little Lens For The Price & KEEPS everything Small & Compact :-)
Thank You For Sharing In Your GREAT VIDEO My Friend
I couldn’t live with the slow and noisy focus on the 20mm even though I wanted to like it. The 25mm is much snappier and I prefer using it. It’s also useful with extension tubes as a macro option. It’s worth pointing out that although bigger than the 20mm it is still small and light. Thanks for the review.
Thank you, great review. Cheers
Making a choice... I chose the 20 1.7 plus Sigma 30mm f1.4. I have owned the 20 1.7 since it was first introduced. Sharpness plus smallness makes it a no-brainer.
Very good video. Thank you. I have the 20mm and my brother has the 25mm. This review is very accurate. Great pacing and attention to detail.
Hallo, thankyou so much for this review! It is simple but covering what i need to know :)
I want to ask something, between the 25mm and 12-32mm kit (on the same aperture), how about the image quality and focusing speed?
Thankyou in advance
Sorry for my bad english
Will these lenses work on a cannon camera?
I'm trying to find a wide angle lense with a fast aperture thats relatively inexpensive that will work on my canon rebel T6i
Hello. Wich one would you prefer for taking photos of children in action?
Thanks ! But why I prefer 25mm 😂
Got rid of my 25 only because i prefered the handling and field of view of the 20 pancake , looks like I made the right decision.
I have the 25mm.. Its very good & sharp.
wtf is pancake?
Hey guys which one of these are the best? I just got my g7 a few day’s ago & im ready to buy my first lens. Goodbye t3i & hello g7😁🎥
I like the compact size of it with my Panasonic G85
this is a really solid video, and you are a great photographer! cheers for the knowledge about the focusing
Your photos are very good, actually great, so thanks!
Hi Damian, I have the G9 and the Panasonic Leica DG Summilux 15mm f/1.7 as well as the kit 12 to 60mmand the 25mm Lumix & 42.5 mm Lumix G. Is there justification for me purchasing this(Panasonic 20mm f1.7 LUMIX G II) lens as an addition to my bag? Seeing as it is fast and light. Or am I pretty well covered with my current kit? Thank You
40mm in Full Frame is a very versatile focal length.
Great video! I'm looking for a lens for the landscape yet, and I haven't decided yet. Probably worth 150 euros this lens
This 20mm f1.7 is my first auto focus lense, so I almost don't know better.
My wife's G85's kit 12-60 is faster.
I am not liking the feel of focus by wire, but am getting along ok.
Being a fan of lens hoods, one lives on the lense.
I recommended one.
As it is this is my standard lense.
Having just gone digital, yes I am a dinosaur, and having moved into MFT their was nothing in my old glass that felt normal.
My trinity are the Riconon 12mm f2 with hood, the little pancake with hood, and an old Pentax 55mm f1.8 with hood, I stole from my 105mm.
I like your work. Be safe out there. Chris
Good video . I just bought this lens in Canada, 200 Canadian dollars. I should say second hand . I find the auto focus isn't the best for macro type shots . The camera that I have used it on is a lumix gf5 . Nice accent.
I had 1st version of this lens. Very sharp even if wide open, nicely build and looks stealthy on any MFT camera. However autofocus is slow and noisy. Therefore this lens suitable mostly for photo. Nice pictures in video. I studied in University of Birmingham and this video reminded me some wonderful places in this great city.
Great review, appreciate the cool music, photo and video samples and not a long monologue like many others. Thanks!
Have you compared it to the 17mm f1.8 from Olympus?
2:24 pretty good autofocus ?
Wow! Those shots look nice, Damien ! Any recommended JPEG settings for the GX85 to match the style in this shootout?
I have (almost?) all of the little MFT primes. Oly 17mm, 25mm, 45mm, 75mm and Panasonic 14mm, 20mm, 25mm. And the 20mm is the most used one. I think because of its size and focal length (not wide-not tele). It is so easy to put a small body with the 20mm in your jacket. And the best camera is the one with you... But the pictures are also stunning. Thanks for the video!
Another very nice video. I bought my 20/1,7 in 2009, the mkI. I started with 40mm lenses on my Minolta CLE and Leica M4P.
I own 7 native primes for mft. The 20 is used for at least 75% of my images. I Llike it! Thanks and regards / Ulf
I recently bought 25 mm f1.7 lens. I loved the result. It is cheaper than 20mm. I loved your footage. Please watch my footage & tell me what do you think about it... Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7pX_34LhqU
Hi Damian, glad to see your video of this lens and the pictures that represent what this lens is capable of. Other than the focus speed on maybe some olympus bodies, this is one of the best lens for micro 4/3. I have used it in the past and I am in fact thinking if I should get this again with a GX9 instead of X100v as a small kit.
Damian, autofocus is overrated. The quality of the image is what's most important. The limitations of this lens for the average user are negligible at best. You're a good photographer and just from the images shown you made it clear this lens is worth having in your arsenal if you're an M43 shooter. I would say the Olympus 17mm f1.8 is another lens worth having as well.
I wanted to like this lens. On both my G9 and my Oly M1 Mk2, the focusing was so terrible in photo and video. And the autofocus noise is too high. I tried two different copies, and they were both doing the same thing.
This is my go-to prime on a compact body like a GM1, GM5, or GX850; unfortunately, while the barrel is nice and short, it is a bit large in diameter for the mini cameras, overlapping the bottom plate. 20mm is my favorite focal length; a bit wider than a 25mm, but long enough for more natural portraits than a 17mm/15mm. The lenses faults, however, are a bit annoying. The slow, by MFT standards, focusing, was mentioned in the video; I've used version I and II, and they seem about the same. Also, the focusing motor is not silent, and can be picked up by on-camera microphones. In P mode, stepped aperture changes can be very loud also. Finally, the lens telescopes 1-2 mm when powered on, and the front element moves back and forth when focusing, inviting damage and dust infiltration. A final note: the silver option of version II is rather attractive, if not stealthy; it has a more classic, satin-chrome-like finish than the silver Leica 15mm or silver Olympus lenses.
Hi David, great review which persuaded me to buy this which arrived today, but I noticed when handling it that the inner disc surrounding the outer element has a bit of play in it. Please could you let me know if that is normal ? Many thanks.
Indeed the focus of the Pana. 20 , 1,7 is very, very bad. Especially in low light. ;((
Whats the difference between the old and the new version?
SO what's the opinion for the olympus omd em10 mark 2 with the lumix 20mm or should I just stick with the olympus 14-42 mm...anyone..?
Great review David as usual very helpful,can you tell me how close this lens will focus
Wish they'd make it just slightly bigger, with better AF and maybe a tiny bit faster - should be doable, right?
On my G9 I would not say the focus speed is slow
I despair sometimes when a non image stabilised lens is mildly slated, after all how have we managed for a century or more without it lol.didnt have it in my 126/110/35mm film days,more down to technique and practise ,as you say a lens that wide ,small,and light hardly needs it
I am about to buy my firts prime for the gx80. Which one would you recommend, this one or the 25mm 1.7?
I am also thinking about the future, and I do wish to have a full set of primes. I have the same issue and cannot choose if I should go for a 15mm, 25mm and 42.5 mm prime set, or simply a 20mm and 42.5mm.
Great review! Its weird that they couldn't improve basically just one thing everybody complained for - slow focusing.... how they can make cheap 14mm f 2,5 way faster in focusing then this lens that was already almost perfect! Its really pity since its such a comfortable focal length to me! I've had 1-st version but sold it because it felt too slow.... Well I think I will end up with Sigma 19 this time....
As this review was done in 2013 - What would be the alternative lenses to look at in 2019? - I am interested in trying the 35mm FF range as opposed to the 50mm FF range and at times find the 20mm not wide enough. I use a G85/80 as my body primarily, although thinking of moving to the GX9 this year for portability reasons.
"Doesn't have a sweet spot because it doesn't have a sour spot" - classic Sir David Thorpe!!!
I went through the exif on all of my favorite photos I’ve taken over the last 10 years. It turned out over 90% were from the 20mm. After going through many lenses and bodies and even a time with the Fujifilm X series, I’m coming back to micro-43rds. My original setup was the GF1 and the 20. It was small, light, and unobtrusive - so I bought myself the Olympus OMD EM-10 Mk II and the Lumix 20 II to replicate the feeling I had with such a lightweight and effective setup! Thanks for reminding me how great micro-43rds is.
I am almost old myself and I have the old 20mm 1.7. We are a nice couple. I don't even think about up- or is it newgrading. I bought the pancake years ago, for an Olympus EPL-1. Now I use it on my Panasonic GX80 (85). I use it mostly for low light photography, just like your examples in pubs and so on. Otherwise I prefer the 14-140. But it's also good for all day shooting if you want to travel not too bulky and with more than acceptable results.
When I was young I always had to focus manually, and with this lens that not focusses always correct in low light, it feels good to be able to show my skills when necessary. 😂
Is the image quality of this the same as Leica 15mm 1.7?
Hi David - great work!! With a £500 budget on lenses for my new Pana GX80 what do you think of a combination of the Pana 42.5mm f1.7 and this 20mm pancake? I'm going to Peru and Japan so would like a combo that will work well for street/portrait/landscape. Feel free to tear that idea to shreds.
Hi David you think the extra bucks for Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4 worth it? TIA, great review as always.
hi!! between this and the panasonic 25mm 1.7? are they exactly the same except for the focal lenght? or is the 25mm better?
I want a fast prime for lowlight but for lanscape (shooting starred nights and milky way) im on a tight budget so im betweecn the panasonics 20 and 25mm 1.7 and the sigma 30mm 1.4
would you recommend this lens for travel photography.... ie street and landscape?
Something I've noticed about this lens on Panasonic cameras: the continues auto focus is disabled and you are limited to standard or manual. This happens with my GH4 and GF5 too. I presume it is due to the slow focusing on this lens, which renders AFC meaningless anyway